Error Using P3Speller LSL Source

[nigamavykari]

We are currently utilizing the Emotive EPOC+ 14-channel EEG system to establish a connection using the LSLSource within the BCI2000 framework, but haven't been successful so far. It's worth noting that the BCI2000 installation has no problems. All files and prerequisites are properly installed. Are there any specific configuration settings that must be taken into consideration when executing the P3Speller LSL source file within the Batch folder? Any idea why this is causing an LSL byprop error?

[mellinger]

Welcome to the BCI2000 forum.

When you click "Set Config", the LSL source module calls lsl_resolve_byprop() to connect to a stream of type "EEG".
If this fails, you might not have started your amplifier correctly, or it does not register its stream with a type of "EEG".

If you need more flexibility, e.g. connect to streams with types that are not "EEG", I can modify the LSL source module for you.

Regards,
Jürgen

[nigamavykari]

Welcome to the BCI2000 forum.

When you click "Set Config", the LSL source module calls lsl_resolve_byprop() to connect to a stream of type "EEG".
If this fails, you might not have started your amplifier correctly, or it does not register its stream with a type of "EEG".

If you need more flexibility, e.g. connect to streams with types that are not "EEG", I can modify the LSL source module for you.

Regards,
Jürgen

Thank you for your response.

The amplifier for the 14-channel EPOC device is built-in with the headset and is operated through an on/off switch. As far as I can see, there is no problem with the connection to the amplifier. I can see the EEG signals through Emotive Pro software. The EEG quality and contact quality are also quite good.

The problem arises when I load the parameters into the "P3Speller_LSLSource" batch file and click set config. It throws a byprop error as mentioned in my previous post.

I do not understand what you mean by "stream type that is not EEG." Since we are trying to implement a speller task, we would require EEG. Is there something I'm missing?

[mellinger]

In the LSL protocol, data streams are registered with a "type". The EPoC documentation about LSL should tell you which type the EPoC uses when registering its data stream. The difference could be as trivial as "eeg" instead of "EEG".

In BCI2000, a type of "EEG" is hardcoded, so you would need to change its source code once you obtained information about EPoC's data type.
Alternatively, we could make the LSL data type a parameter, so you could modify it without changing BCI2000's source code.

HTH
Jürgen

[nigamavykari]

In the LSL protocol, data streams are registered with a "type". The EPoC documentation about LSL should tell you which type the EPoC uses when registering its data stream. The difference could be as trivial as "eeg" instead of "EEG".

In BCI2000, a type of "EEG" is hardcoded, so you would need to change its source code once you obtained information about EPoC's data type.
Alternatively, we could make the LSL data type a parameter, so you could modify it without changing BCI2000's source code.

HTH
Jürgen

I have checked the EPOC documentation about LSL and the stream type is mentioned as "EEG". So it is the same stream type that is hardcoded in BCI2000 (I have double-checked the BCI2000 source code as well). Could there be any other reason for this error? If making the LSL data type as a parameter would work, how can I modify it?

[mellinger]

Could it be that the stream has a _name_ of "EEG" but a different _type_?
I am not very familiar with LSL, but you might try to establish communication with one of those viewers before:
https://labstreaminglayer.readthedocs.i ... ewers.html

The advantage of parameterizing stream information would be that you could try different options without recompiling.
I can do that for you if you like.

[turibalab]

Could it be that the stream has a _name_ of "EEG" but a different _type_?
I am not very familiar with LSL, but you might try to establish communication with one of those viewers before:
https://labstreaminglayer.readthedocs.i ... ewers.html

The advantage of parameterizing stream information would be that you could try different options without recompiling.
I can do that for you if you like.

Hello, recently I've been trying to launch P3Speller through LSL connection. I have OpenBCI Cyton board with daisy extension. I start lsl stream with the name "obci_eeg1" and type "EEG" through OpenBCI GUI application and still get "lsl_resolve_byprop: error 1". Also when I try to launch P3Speller through Open BCI bat file it gets stuck after setting all the channels on "query the board". What would you recommend me to do?

[mellinger]

From this conversation: https://openbci.com/forum/index.php?p=/ ... -in-bcilab it seems that OpenBCI is not using "type" "EEG" but "name" "OpenBCI":

you should change the line:
result = lsl_resolve_byprop(lib,'type','EEG'); end
to
result = lsl_resolve_byprop(lib,'name','OpenBCI_EEG'); end
or
result = lsl_resolve_byprop(lib,'source_id','openbci_eeg_id1'); end

You may change this in the BCI2000 source code of the LSL source module, or I can make it configurable for you so you can enter it as a parameter.

[turibalab2]

From this conversation: https://openbci.com/forum/index.php?p=/ ... -in-bcilab it seems that OpenBCI is not using "type" "EEG" but "name" "OpenBCI":

you should change the line:
result = lsl_resolve_byprop(lib,'type','EEG'); end
to
result = lsl_resolve_byprop(lib,'name','OpenBCI_EEG'); end
or
result = lsl_resolve_byprop(lib,'source_id','openbci_eeg_id1'); end

You may change this in the BCI2000 source code of the LSL source module, or I can make it configurable for you so you can enter it as a parameter.

The link that you provided seems to explain an issue with BCILAB and in file ReceiveData.m. Does that mean that BCI2000 LSL module works through the matlab? Or where can I find file containing those lines(or file) in BCI2000 source code/installation files?

[mellinger]

The link is about Matlab but LSL source works there in the same way as in C/C++.
You don't need to worry about this any more, I made the property type and value configurable under the "Source" tab.
Also, I fixed a bug that might have prevented you from connecting to your amplifier.

Please download the latest version from SVN and try again.

[vcaracci]

The link is about Matlab but LSL source works there in the same way as in C/C++.
You don't need to worry about this any more, I made the property type and value configurable under the "Source" tab.
Also, I fixed a bug that might have prevented you from connecting to your amplifier.

Please download the latest version from SVN and try again.

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Hello, I'm trying to launch the P3Speller through the LSL connection. The acquisition device is the X.on headset from Brain Producs and the LSL stream is generated by connecting it with the LSL app provided by the company. Once connected the device to the app, I've verified that the stream is properly detectable using both the LSL Viewer and the LSL LabRecorder.
However, when I try to run a BCI2000 application from the batch folder (e.g. P3Speller or StimulusPresentation) with the LSL source module, the app stops after the "Set Config" stage dispalying the following error: lsl_resolve_byprop: error 1
I tried to acquire a 10-seconds X.on stream with the LabRecorder LSL and imported the xdf file in Matlab: the stream type seems to be correct (i.e. "EEG" type), so I don't know what could be causing the error. From the last answer above, it seems to me that two new fields were added to the "Source" tab in the latest version of BCI2000, but I can't find it altough I should have the latest available version of the software (BCI2000 v3.6.beta.R7385). What would you suggest me to do?

[mellinger]

but I can't find it altough I should have the latest available version of the software (BCI2000 v3.6.beta.R7385). What would you suggest me to do?

Unfortunately, that beta version predates the change mentioned in the previous post, so you will need to compile BCI2000 yourself. We are currently working on a new binary release but I can't tell you when it will come out.

To build BCI2000 on Windows, please follow this guide:
https://www.bci2000.org/mediawiki/index ... ng_BCI2000
For you, the following steps apply:
* Install Prerequisites
* Download the BCI2000 Source Code
* Configure BCI2000 for Compilation
* Compile BCI2000

If you meet any difficulties, feel free to ask!